Journal de Kenna Morton, 04 août 19

Have I told you how much I love you lately? 

Thanks Kenna! 

Bella— as you are aware, there ARE medications that intrinsically can cause weight gain and may have nothing to do with CICO or calorie deficit.. it’s about hormone effects, slowing of the metabolism and there are certain drugs that they don’t know why they can cause weight gain. There are people here who just don’t know what they don’t know. That means the battle becomes harder. For some people they really can’t continue a sizable calorie deficit because of creating nutritional instability. It becomes a vicious cycle that for some is extremely hard to break. 

So you're saying that hormones can have an effect on weight loss or weight gain? That's interesting because it seems if there were a way to somehow manage or effect those hormones that it would have the potential to be a powerful tool for weight management.  

Hormones and weight. Interesting! Who'd'a thunk it... 

Whoa, Mira, that almost sounds Revolutionary!  

Yep. I had to pull away from that other post and delete my comments to stop the notifications. Go Science! 

Good thing these wild shifts in hormones that could lower your metabolic rate aren't affected by macros. Drugs and lack of sleep? Yep. 

Where are you getting that medications have nothing to do with CICO? They can lower your CO making the same CI no longer work causing a stall or even a gain. 

I wonder how people can be 100% sure that the weight gain is due to the medicines? Us woman tend to blame the birth control for our weight gain. But I am not really sure. 🤔  

https://www.urmc.rochester.edu/encyclopedia/content.aspx?contenttypeid=56&contentid=DM300 

Or maybe I should blame Hormonal IUD. 🤗 After giving birth I was losing weight (20+ lb.) without counting calories, but suddenly I was about to reach my pregnancy weight again.😐 

This is science. There was much discussion on this subject at the obesity conference I went to about 6 months ago. They are working on yet more new/different drugs without the weight gain component, but for various reasons it is not easy. Someday hopefully.  

Kenna, thank you so much for posting this. There is science behind all that. Bella, I deleted my post on the other thread also.  

The notion that, "macros don't affect hormones" is patently false, and a pretty dumb thing to say. Asserting that, "hormones can't affect metabolic rate", also untrue and equally ignorant.  

If someone truly believed that medication cannot affect weight gain then they must believe that medication cannot affect weight loss either. Yet, we know that there are pills that people have taken to lose weight.  

I didn't say hormones can't affect metabolic rate. If you think keto can affect them enough to make a lick of difference in someone's CO, thats cool. I'll wait for a metabolic ward study that proves it. Only protein has the power to affect CO enough to matter. I'd be more likely to believe a high carb diet would be better where CO is concerned given that they provide superior energy and have a slightly higher thermic effect than fat. 

And I said the wild shift that affect CO. I didn't say they don't affect them at all just not enough to matter where fat loss is concerned. You didn't quote me fully. 

From Kevin Hall's study, "Energy expenditure and body composition changes after an isocaloric ketogenic diet in overweight and obese men.", which he used to falsely claim the insulin hypothesis dead; "Over a 4 week keto diet insulin levels were brought down and using measures of EE there was an increase in calories burnt." Of course ignorant people will take the conclusions Hall twisted and put forward as somehow confirming their bias, when the reality is, it does nothing of the sort.  

I read through some of my medication info and it seems two can cause weight gain. One only in a small number of patients but the new one doesn’t say ‘small number’ lol. 🤷‍♀️ Gotta balance the pros and cons. As long as you are working out then some of any gain should be muscle. For me I’ll assume the medication isn’t a cause for any gain unless I stop working out and go back to a deficit. If you are on a weight gain causing medication then perhaps you could ask your dr about a change. Most drs would work with your weight loss if there’s something else available to try.